KTR 118 | Finding Your Voice

 

Bombarded by so many expectations from your own family and society as a whole, it is sometimes puzzling to discover your life’s true purpose. But by looking inward, finding your voice, and tapping into your passion, you can make one major shift and achieve the goals you are always longing for. This is exactly what award-winning journalist Kathy Le did when she decided to jump into the world of broadcast journalism despite the many doubts. She joins Kim Hayden to share why she chose the television life over her parents’ plans for her to become a doctor. Kathy talks about the importance of resiliency being in the public eye almost all the time. She tells how to deal with haters and search for growth in the middle of a crisis.

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Finding Your Voice Through Resilience With Kathy Le

I have got the greatest gal on. A gal that I’ve known for quite some time is here with me. Let me read a little bit about who she is and what she does. Kathy Le is an award-winning TV journalist with CTV in Calgary who’s known for her in-depth and investigative documentaries. She is also a highly sought-out keynote speaker and emcee having taken to the stage more than 100 events during her career. I’ve had the honor of doing a couple of those with her and she’s so welcoming. Even when you trip over your own heel or your skirt or you mismanaged somewhere, she’s awesome.

Kathy is a co-founder of Spark Your Speaking, a public speaking academy that helps empowered and motivated individuals to find their voice and take their public speaking journey to new heights. That’s what we’re all about here at the Resilience series. It’s finding those who have a voice and helping to showcase them. Who’s better to bring this type of skillset to the stage to our audience? She also married the cutest little man. He has bright red hair. I’m a little prejudiced on the red-headed boy. Everybody, please sit back, buckle up and get excited. Welcome, Kathy Le. I’m so grateful that you are sharing your time with us. How are you?

I’m doing well, Kim. Thank you so much for that introduction. I’m humbled. Sometimes it’s hard to toot your own horn but if you achieve certain things and you worked hard for them, then you have to be proud of it because you are your biggest fan. You have to be. No matter where you are on your journey, no matter what goals that you’re trying to achieve. You and I have taken the stage at least once together. We’ve been on the red carpet together as well. It’s been a pleasure to see you out and about and to also share the stage with you. It’s been great. I always have a lot of fun with you, Kim.

Kathy, for those who don’t know who you are, give us a little bit of who you are and what you do.

I’m the oldest child of four children in my family. My parents are refugees from Vietnam. They made the ultimate sacrifice to escape the war, survive, and be resilient. They had four children and build their lives here in Canada. They instilled in us very important values and morals, the value of hard work, of not giving up, and of giving back. I owe them everything because I wouldn’t be here physically here doing this show with you, but also living the life that I do if it weren’t for their sacrifice.

They all live in Edmonton. My one sister Anita lives in Vancouver and my other sister, Diana just got accepted into med school. She is studying medicine at the University of Alberta. Anita is an incredibly accomplished businesswoman, but she is also a high-achieving engineer. We have our little brother who is still in university studying accounting, then there’s me. I am the black sheep in this family because I don’t know if people know this, but I think I’ve talked to you about this before about the stereotype with certain families depending on the cultural background.

My family wanted me to be a doctor. Now they’re going to get their doctor through my sister. They taught me all these other careers that they thought were worthy or the only careers that existed in this world. Unfortunately, journalism wasn’t one of them. My journey getting where I’m at is a little bit different from any of my other colleagues. I had to go behind my parents’ back in my early twenties after I finished my double major degree in Chemistry and Biology at the University of Alberta.

After I finished my Optometry Aptitude Tests and all my applications getting into optometry school, I made this decision for myself then and there that I was going to do something for myself and I was going to follow my dreams no matter how scared I was. I did it without knowing what the plan was. I just knew that this was something that I wanted to do. At 23, 24 years old, I applied to a school in Edmonton. All I had was hope and a dream. I had no idea. I look back and I’m like, “You’re crazy. What are you doing? You have no plan.” I worked incredibly hard.

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There is a little bit of luck in anything that you do, but what people don’t see that I don’t post on my Instagram and my social media are the long nights, the sacrifices, the tears, the doubt and the fear. All of that stuff, I go through just like anybody else. The imposter syndrome like, “Do I deserve to be here,” and things like that. I don’t post any of that but I am open to sharing that with an audience who will listen that I had to go through and I’m still going through all that. I worked hard. I did the OT. I worked for free. I got myself to Calgary.

Calgary has been a gift to me because looking back now, I’ve achieved projects and goals that I never thought of. If you had asked me nine years ago when I came to Calgary, “You would be a documentarian. You would get all these accolades or recognition,” I would probably go, “I’m capable of it, but I didn’t have that all written down.” Having achieved all that here has been wonderful and I’m looking forward to the next few years what I’m going to do with my career. Like what you said in the introduction, I enjoy, if not investigative, deep-dive documentaries into important topics. My goal one day is to continue to do that in whatever capacity that looks like. That’s where my heart belongs because it feels right and it brings me joy.

Kathy, how tall are you?

I’m about 5’4”.

You’re just this itty-bitty, little, tiny thing. They no longer give you a cameraman half the time. You have to lug everything and I’ve seen your camera bag. It could be your twin. I think it’s almost the same size as you. You talked CTV, you were able to pitch an idea on a documentary that was very powerful on opioids issues that we’re having. I know that you’ve won a couple of awards and I haven’t talked to you since then. Can you catch me up a little bit on that? If your parents were looking for a doctor, isn’t that the voice of somebody who’s talking about your health and wellbeing? That’s pretty powerful. They must’ve been hugely proud of you.

I did a podcast with you a few years ago. I think that I was possibly in the middle of the opioid documentary. Thank you for remembering that. A lot has happened since then. I do feel like now after that initial surprise of telling my parents that I wasn’t going to do what they wanted me to do, that now they can see that I am happy. I’m thriving in my career and I’m making a difference. Without going offside too much, I tell other parents because I talk to everybody, all different walks of life and all different ages.

I did an emcee event and I was sitting next to this wonderful gentleman who runs this massive company. He was telling me about how his daughter got into the one career that he didn’t want her to get into because he didn’t think it would make her any money and it was being an artist. I had to interject, I said, “I want you to know that if she loves what she does, she will be fine because I am a living proof of that.”

Going back to the documentaries, I’ve produced four now. I try to produce one a year because on top of my documentaries, if you turn on the news at 6:00 PM, I’m either reporting or anchoring. I have other obligations and things that I’m still passionate about too, the breaking news, the day turn stories, especially during the pandemic. We’ve played an integral role in getting information to the public.

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On top of all that, I found time in my busy day to pitch these projects. Since we spoke, I produced two more. I produced an investigative documentary into the state of private childcare in Alberta and Canada because it’s an unregulated market, but 75% of kids go into private day homes because they either can’t afford regulated or licensed ones. That one took a long time. It took me almost a year and a half to put it together. I flew down to Houston to put that one together and it was great.

The latest one that I produced in 2020 was about the racism and discrimination that Asian people have been experiencing and continue to experience when the pandemic hit because of the origins of the Coronavirus which was in Wuhan, China. It was one of those stories that weren’t out there, but we did a couple and then I decided to look into it more. I’m proud of every piece that I do but this one, I’m going to toot my own horn again. I got such great reception and recognition. It ended up airing on W5, which is our national CTV investigative documentary magazine show. We got national recognition for awards. I got to rub shoulders with some very talented journalists that I respect.

Again, that imposter syndrome crept in and I’m going, “Do I even belong in this room?” I’m like, “Yes, you do.” Beyond that, I don’t do my documentaries to go, “I want to win these awards.” That’s not why, because they’re not easy. The number of nights that I’ve cried, the tears and frustrations. Things are not going the way you want them to. Sometimes I think to myself when I go home after a hard day of work and then, many more hours on the documentary and everything is going wrong.

I stare at the wall and I go, “Why do you do this to yourself? Why don’t you just make your life easier?” The reason I continue to do this is for the people. It’s to tell their stories. It’s because I am blessed and grateful, understanding that I have this platform with CTV. The opportunity to deep dive into some really important topics and tragic topics that I believe deserve the spotlight. I think about those people. They’re the reason I’m doing this and that helps me to push on and continue on.

I believe that those of us who can speak up need to speak up because there are so many people out there who are on mute whether or not a little bit inside. That’s my role in life. That’s your role in life. It’s to stand up and speak up on their behalf. Out of three people in Calgary, you were selected to be a speaker at the inaugural Resilient Women in Business Conference because we wanted to hear you speak on finding your voice and gaining that power. As you mentioned, that imposter syndrome and how to get those stories or your story out. Can you give me a specific example of how you’ve been resilient in your business and how it affected you throughout, a specific example of early years of resiliency?

When you talk about resilience, it’s almost an everyday thing in my industry. I’m not going to shoot on me. I don’t sugarcoat anything. I’m extremely candid with how competitive this industry is. Not just on that side while you’re trying to climb the ladder, but also the hate that you get from people. Let’s talk about that because I can go on and on.

We’ve seen that hugely. There’s this huge trend that these journalists are all liars, it’s all fake news and this fear-mongering around it. I can tell everybody out there. I personally know Kathy Le. I have been at many social functions with her. I have met her husband. I have watched her through her journey here in Calgary, through your wedding, through everything. I truly believe that when you share something, I believe in the validity of it.

Are we seeing journalists leaving the field because they just can’t do it anymore? With anybody that thinks being on TV is great, the pay is not great. The hours are hard. In Canada and more so, we try to keep a very even keel. A lot of times, I say that I have to watch BBC to supplement the community news because the Canadian news is very straightforward. Americans may think it’s a little flat or dry because we don’t influence the news. We relay the news. That’s something that I would love to hear a little more about because that is definitely a resilience topic.

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I would like to commend you, Kim, for being able to distinguish between the noise out there because there is a lot of noise out there when it comes to platforms for news and information in this day and age. With the internet, you can Google anything and you can find anything. I’ve had a lot of people come up to me going, “How do you decipher what’s true and what’s not.” I’ll be honest with you, even somebody in the media, I understand how difficult it could be for the general public and to not be confused by what is facts and what is not.

There’s so much coming at you and it gets a little bit overwhelming. However, I do think that it is wise to not just stick to one organization or one network. I love that you do that. I love that you go check out the BBC or whatever other news network or organization to see what are they saying as opposed to just the Canadians. That’s important because as a journalist, I do the same thing. I want to see what the competition is talking about as well and their take on things. I think that’s wise.

As for being a journalist before the pandemic ever hit, I want to tell you about something personal with me. It started to snowball when I accepted the anchor role on The Weekend. As a reporter, you’re on air for maybe two minutes, 30 seconds and you get lost in the mix of everybody else. As an anchor, you have a show and you’re vulnerable for the entire hour. If you’re doing it by yourself, it’s just you. If you have a co-anchor, it’s the both of you. It’s a running joke now because I try to take it in stride but the hate mail I got when I first took this anchoring position was nauseating.

I remember coming back from my honeymoon with my husband and I wanted to wear this blouse. I went to him and I said, “Should I wear this or do you think people are going to send me bad emails?” He goes, “Wear the damn shirt. Who cares what they say?” I was like, “You’re right.” Those little reminders like, “Don’t let them get to you,” but when you get hate mail about, “You don’t speak English properly. You should go to speech therapy. I hate your hair. You must have only gotten your job because you dress sexy.” I was like, “Really?”

Even though you got a lot of people in your corner, when all of that comes at you nonstop, it does number to your confidence and you start to question your capability. You start to question, “Are they right?” I’ve had to battle that before the pandemic hit. Once the pandemic hit, it was on another level but at least it wasn’t just me. It was other people and everyone else got to experience it. Again, it wasn’t personal.

To give another example, this woman sent me this email and was attacking me as a person, “You talk too much about your wedding,” which first of all, I did not. I only responded if my co-anchors wanted to ask me a few things but I was very mindful of that. “You must be a terrible wife.” She hated me personally. I got into it with her. I know it was a big mistake because no matter what I said to her and no matter what the exchange was, after one of us decided it was probably me to tap out, I carried that with me for days and weeks to come, just this ickiness about me.

You’re still very young or what we would call a young woman in business. At 52, I tap out. I’m like, “This is you issue, not a me issue.” I remember being in my 30s. As I climbed in my career and I became a higher profile within my community, people would start assuming I’m making X amount of dollars and I’m this and that. I remember the moms at the bus stop going, “She looks like she’s gained weight. Do you think she’s gained weight?”

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Finding Your Voice: Stand up for yourself during the most challenging moments.

 

I would walk up and all the talk would stop. This is a hard learning curve for women. I’m glad you brought this up because this is very much a resilience. You can get to 50 and not be angry at the world because you have to go through all this, but in your 30s is very hard. Thirty-seven is my best year ever because it’s almost like there was this thing that clicked over and people quit picking on you. It was my best year ever. It may have been maybe my lens. It may have been my filters. I don’t know what it was, but it seems 37 was a year that everything started clicking. I was no different than when I was 36.

All the amazing young women in business that are out there that are afraid to wear that killer pencil skirt, if you can navigate stilettos, rock them while you can because when you’re my age, your ankles are going to go. Only Tina Turner can wear heels like that until you’re 80. We’ve talked about how hard the hits can come. What are some things that you incorporate into your business, into your mindset, into what you do to filter out and be resilient every day?

You brought up something important that you’ve realized now in your 50s. It’s something that I am starting to realize or I have realized through these experiences. I think you will agree with me that sometimes you have to learn the lesson hard to understand. I would love to give advice right now and go, “Filter it out. Don’t listen to them,” but you don’t know how you’re going to react. You don’t know how you’re going to overcome it until it happens to you. Sometimes those are the best lessons. In my life, if anything bad happens to me or anything negative happens to me, I always say, “What is the lesson in this? Let’s have some perspective here for a second.”

If there are emotions, get those emotions out. Once the dust settles, don’t let that go to waste. Look at that instance and decipher pragmatically without emotion objectively, “What happened here? What do you think it was, etc.” because it does help you to go through that process. One of the things that you mentioned is you realize that, “It isn’t about me. This is about you 100%.” That was the biggest thing that I had to learn. It’s important whether or not you have to go through the lesson yourself or whether you’re going to take advice from others when someone is hating on you.

It’s not about vanity. It could be vanity but not just vanity. They can hate you for your hair and how you look. They can hate you for your gender. They could hate you for your brains and for your ideas. They can do whatever. When I say they, it could be anybody. It’s not just one demographic. It could be that anybody can come to you and say all these things to make you doubt yourself and to make you cry. It will happen but the first thing you have to realize is, “This is not about me.” If I’m confident in my capabilities, in my look and in what I contribute, how do they know what I bring to the table, what I’m about, what I think or what my values are? They don’t know all those things about me. I do.

It’s about owning up to what you know and what you’re capable of and standing up for yourself in those moments. Knowing that, more often than not, it’s about that person and their insecurities projecting on you. Do you know that Debbie Downer idea? That’s what it’s about. If it’s not that and it’s whatever. It could be that. I’m not saying that it is that. You were going to go through whatever your journey is in business, in life and in relationships with those types of obstacles. It’s going to be a test for you to how you overcome that because you can overcome it.

One of the other things that I do is in addition to having that realization that it’s not me, it’s surrounding myself with people who love me, who will let me know and put me in my place, “What are you talking about? You’ve been doing this for a long time. Look at the difference that you’re making.” All these other people who respect you and have been telling you for the longest time that you’re good at what you do or you look good or this or whatever, “You’re going to let this one person come into your life and tell you that and you’re going to believe them?”

Sometimes it does. It takes that individual to snap you back into it. The other thing I do is I have a wall at my house and I put down everything that I achieved. Whether it’s personally, mentally, emotionally, physically, even the mountains I climb. People might find this hard to believe because they might think, “She has it all together.” No, I don’t. Nobody does. We’re all trying to figure all this out together.

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Some days it might be hard for me to get out of bed because I’m so wrought with anxiety thinking that I’m not good enough or whatever. I will look at my wall and the wall is forever expanding because I continue to achieve certain things. I look at it because it does something to you to have it all written down however you want it in front of your face to look at that and remind you, “What are you talking about? Look at all this. Look what you’ve done. You went to Guatemala with the Rotary Club. What are you doing?” Those are the things that I try to do to check myself back into reality. Some days are harder than others but some days are easier. That’s what I do.

Being in news and research, you keep a pretty tight finger on the pulse of what’s going on economically, politically and environmentally. We know that women have been greatly impacted by the pandemic. Just so everybody knows, here in Calgary, Alberta where Kathy Le is, it has had a five-year recession prior to the pandemic. Everybody is waiting for the plague of locusts to show up. In 2020, we reported in the midst of the pandemic, we had the lowest employment rate for women since the ’80s percentage-wise. I want to talk about recession-proof. Is there anything within resilience that can help people create a recession-proof or strategy so they can weather this? If it’s not the pandemic, it’s going to be something else. Do you have any thoughts and ideas on your journeys with people you’ve met?

It has been tough, especially for Alberta. That was noted in my documentary especially businesses and entrepreneurs. We had our recession and we weren’t even out of the recession yet before the pandemic hit. It was like a double whammy. I read an article about the vacancy rate downtown. Buildings continuously empty out and it’s really sad.

A part of what I’m going to say has to do with not just women, but anybody who’s an entrepreneur and how to weather this. From what I’ve observed through the people that I’ve spoken to, those who have been able to prove themselves of things that can happen like the pandemic or the recession, it does depend on what you do for a living. I will say that. If you are in healthcare and suddenly they lay you off, what do you do? That’s your career. In my case, let’s say they laid me off as a journalist. It can happen. How do you prepare yourself for that?

A couple of things that I’ve seen resilient entrepreneurs do is one, diversify a little bit. That’s what I’m doing with Spark Your Speaking, more so because I come with a wealth of information. I’ve done this for a decade or more. I know what it’s like to be in front of people. I talk for a living, so how can I bestow my gift on others? Which I think is what we’re all doing. How do we help others to help themselves in the end?

Diversify. Let’s say you got your 9:00 to 5:00 job, that’s amazing. Is there something else? We don’t want to do it during times of crisis, but I will say during times of crisis is when people are the most creative because they have no choice. They got to now put food on the table for their kids. They are the most motivated during this time. I will say that times of crisis bring out the best in people.

I’ve seen a woman who lost her oil and gas job, then decide that she’s going to create these art installations out of the trash and is now thriving. This came out of the pandemic because she found a talent and then ran with it. You just don’t know. If you can avoid being in that crisis position, could you not think about the other things that you can do on the side as a hobby or something as you build slowly?

If one happens to drop, let’s say you own a restaurant and you don’t have customers coming in, is there something else you can do to supplement your income? I guess I have always been an entrepreneur because when I was younger, I was still living at home, going to university. I was working at a restaurant to make some money but on the side, I taught piano because I was a pianist. I did all my levels and then I started teaching when I was sixteen years old to have something else on the side. I always had several things going on.

KTR 118 | Finding Your Voice

The Alchemist

It’s about finding what you’re good at. What are you good at? What can you teach someone? What can you sell? What idea do you have? This dovetails nicely with what I do because in order to be successful, not the only thing that you need to be successful, but one of the things you need to be successful at is how do you convey your passion and your message? How do you talk to people? How do you make that sale? How do you convince people on social media to listen to what you’re going to say?

You’ve had three babies. You worked in corporate. You’re now an expert at being a mom. Now, you want to start a mommy blog. You want to go out there and you want to reach people. How do you do it? You need to be able to learn how to speak and convey that information because not a lot of people do that because they’re scared of talking. That’s the number one thing people say. That would be one for.

Let’s say for restaurants that I’ve seen that we’re able to thrive and roll with the punches during the pandemic, it’s about being flexible. Don’t be so rigid in your one way of thinking that this is the only way that’s going to work. If you do that, you’re closing the door to the other opportunities and the other solutions that you can explore to get yourself out of that rut. If you own a restaurant or you’re an entrepreneur in some way, and you’ve been operating for one specific way for a long time, and then this pandemic hit, and now it creates a block where you can’t do it, don’t give up.

Brainstorm what is another way that you can do this. For restaurants, let’s say they built a patio because now they’re like, “We’re going to invest in a patio because this is the way it’s going to go. In case another pandemic hits, we’re ready to go. It’s going to be a covered patio or it’s going to be a patio with windows or whatever. Let’s change the business model. We’re no longer going to have seated. We’re going to do an in and out. We’re going to sell something else.”

I’ve seen how people can quickly pivot and go to the table and go, “We’re not going to give up. There’s another way,” or people who’ve never thought about going online. Now they’re like, “We got to bring our business online because that’s where sales are going to go because we can’t guarantee that the government is not going to shut us down. Let’s put it online.” They’re open to these other ideas. These are the things that I’ve seen.

You have the side hustle, which has become the gig economy. Just so everybody knows out there that I found out while I was doing some research. Did you know that Instagram started as a side hustle?

They all start as a side hustle.

I thought that was pretty cool. Now, we’re in our rapid round, Kathy. I want to know, what is the one book you think all women should read?

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The book that changed my life is The Alchemist. It’s about you. It’s about if you have a dream and you want it really bad, and you’re willing to put the work into it. It’s about trusting the universe, whatever your faith is, that it will conspire in making it happen for you. That the universe is not out there to get you. It doesn’t mean it’s going to be easy. If you have that dream of starting your own company or whatever it is, a podcast or your Instagram account, and it’s about something that you are so deeply into. I’m talking like you wake up every morning and it’s all you can think of. When you do think about it, it brings you immense joy. That’s the passion I’m talking about. The only reason I’m saying The Alchemist is because of those lessons, I made the jump to TV broadcasting. I went, “I’m going to put my faith out there.”

Thank goodness you did because I wouldn’t know. What is the one piece of advice or quote that has been your North Star?

It would be, “What is meant for you will be for you.” In my industry, you think that something is going to happen in a way that you think is going to happen. I have a goal and I want to get there. Sometimes it doesn’t all work the way that you want it to because there are other things at play. If I don’t get what I thought I wanted, I have to put my trust again in the universe or whatever it is. If I have that goal and I can still see it, eventually, it will lead me to that path, or if the goal I initially thought I wanted might not actually be the goal I was meant to do.

I want to add more to this. When I first got into TV, I wanted to be an entertainment reporter. That’s all. That’s why you saw me at those red carpets all the time. That’s all I wanted to do. Don’t get me wrong. If each one calls me up and says, “We got a gig for you,” I’ll jump on that in a second. That’s what I wanted to do. That’s what I thought that was the end all be all. Remember what I said about being flexible. Look at me now. I’m producing award-winning documentaries. This is now. As much as I still love entertainment because I love it. I think it’s so much fun. This brings me so much joy. This is what I’m meant to do.

I love Mel Robbins. I follow her. She talks about that in her The 5 Second Rule. She talks about it very candidly. A lot of people during COVID may be feeling this because they identify with their position or job. When you yank that out from underneath them, they floundered. We’ve seen a lot of mental health fallout during the pandemic.

I find it fascinating that Mel Robbins directly talks about how she was up to drinking a half bottle of wine a night. She would hit the snooze button ten times in the morning. She just woke up one day and she said, “This is not the life I want to live.” I know that’s overly simplistic but that is the power of having a purpose. That is why we have to continually exercise and strengthen resilience. Resilience cannot happen in our lives without strife.

The biggest lessons are learned during your lowest times, but you have to recognize that lesson.

You have to be grateful for it because you’re still sucking air. What’s the worst thing that can happen aside from Canada Revenue? It’s death. If you are still sucking air, you still have an opportunity. That is where the resilience comes in. To be able to identify, I have a word called craptastic. Craptastic is when something crappy happens and it creates something truly fantastic that could not have happened. I’m a firm believer that everybody needs to have quality craptastic opportunities. The final question for you. If you could go back in the time machine, what is the one piece of advice you would offer to your starting Kathy? The Kathy that’s just going in.

KTR 118 | Finding Your Voice

Finding Your Voice: If you don’t get what you want, put your trust again in the universe. If you can still see your goal, it will eventually lead you to that path.

 

I would tell myself, “Don’t worry too much and be easier on yourself. Give yourself permission to take the days that you need for yourself.” You can only go so far until the engine burns out. I always thought that I always have to constantly be doing something or the next project to be successful because if I didn’t, then I was failing. It’s about finding balance. That is how you’re going to be your best self and perform the best.

If you need a day, you take that day because there are people out there who do not work as hard as you will and they still succeed. Don’t beat yourself to the ground. I didn’t take a vacation for years in this industry. Even when I did take time off, I was networking and going out. My husband was going crazy. He goes, “I know that you’re passionate about it, but I worry that wherever you are, you’re always looking for the next thing. You always got to be busy.”

You’re never present.

That is what I would tell my younger self, “Don’t worry too much. Be more present and take the time that you need. If you need time off, do not burn the candle at both ends.”

Burning the candle from both ends means that you’re going to lose that space in between. You can burn out. Kathy, you mentioned Spark Your Speaking. If our viewers want to reach out to you, can you give us a little rundown on how they can find you, what your website is, and also your social media handles? Everybody, be nice and be kind. Kathy deserves it.

Our website is under construction but that’s okay. I’m obviously a public figure so I’m all over the place. You can reach me on all of my social media handles as well as my personal Gmail account. We do have a special promotion happening. I am giving away free advice, free lessons, etc. because I don’t think that education should always be paid for.

I believe that education should be paid for because I paid for all my education, but I believe that helping others and giving them free advice or free tips is important too. My Instagram handle is @KathyTrinhLeTV. People DM me all the time. For story ideas, that’s where they could reach me. Another great way is going to be my personal Gmail account until our website is up and running. Again, Kathy.Trinh.Le@gmail.com. It’s basically the same thing, just with the dots in between.

If they want to hit me up, I would do free consultations. We go over your goals. We go over what you’re scared of, what you want to achieve, what your aspirations are. We do all that because I can’t work with my clients until I know exactly what they’re looking for and what their goals are. It’s like bootcamp with me because I am a tough coach because I expect nothing but excellence, in a loving way.

I can’t thank you enough for sharing your time, sneaking into the broom closet at CTV to share with us. Everybody knows. This is not Kathy’s house. She does not live in a prison ward. This is the broom closet at the office. I wanted to say thank you. I wanted to encourage all of our readers, Kathy’s got the best story on how to deal with a bear while hiking on one of our episodes. That’s a fun episode. Make sure you go to that one also.

I want to thank everyone out there for sharing your time because I know that this is the one non-renewable resource that is incredibly valued by all of us. You can check us out at Kimtalks.club. You can check out my other website, ResilientSeries.club. If you want to join us at any of our conferences throughout Canada or the United States, just check out ResilienceSeries.com. Be sure to join the movement and be part of the club. Remember, you are enough and anything is possible. I look forward to seeing you next time.

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About Kathy Le

KTR 118 | Finding Your VoiceKathy Le is an award-winning TV journalist with CTV News in Calgary who is known for her in-depth and investigative documentaries.

She is also a highly sought out keynote speaker and emcee, having taken the stage at more than 100 events during her career.

Kathy is the co-founder of Spark Your Speaking, a public speaking academy that helps empowered and motivated individuals find their voice and take their public speaking journey to new heights.